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Friday, 11 March 2016

Storm Might Come





I find this dialogue in a course book:
Person A: Ich glaube, es kommt ein Sturm. (I think that storm might come)
Person B: Ach, das glaube ich nicht. Es bleibt schön. (Oh, I don’t think so, it remains fine)

It is only a picture, has nothing to do with the theme of the chapter, therefore there is no further explanation. In that picture 2 people have a conversation like above mentioned.

The sentence “Es kommt ein Sturm” is interesting. It is not clear, what the subject is: es or ein Sturm. Both are possible. But some questions will arise after that.

If “es” is the subject, then “ein Sturm” should be in Akkusativ, shouldn’t it? The sentence should be like this: Es kommt einen Sturm. The noun “Sturm” is masculine.

If “ein Sturm” is the subject, why is “es” still there? People can of course immediately build the sentence “Ein Sturm kommt” , can’t they?

There is pronoun “es”, which is special for wheater. But as far as I know this pronoun “es” is always in Nominativ: es schneit, es regnet, es ist kalt, es ist bewölkt, es ist sonnig, es ist heiss, es ist windig.

I conclude that the subject is “ein Sturm”. Then I asked my friends in Germany (I just consider them as friends), why the sentence is built so “Es kommt ein Sturm”, not “Ein Sturm kommt” ?


My friends in Germany comment:


Marita in Hanstedt
Oh, oh, you asked things, about which I never worried.
Both are possible ! We Germans say it so or so, just like we are thinking.
Least number of us has studied German. :) :)

Unfortunately I really cannot help you. Both are just possible.



Sabine in München
Absolutely people can also say pure grammatically "ein Sturm kommt" , but it is mostly expressed with "es kommt ein Sturm". Except "die Sonne scheint" mostly the weather phenomena isn’t put in Nominativ, because it will be chopped off, but it uses a paraphrase with "es". The sentence "ein Sturm kommt" according to my feeling expresses a minimal bigger probability/certainty, that a storm actually comes, than the sentence "es kommt ein Sturm". In this existing case, where the speaker starts the sentence with "Ich glaube...", according to my opinion people can also continue with "...ein Sturm kommt", which is equal (with ”es kommt ein Sturm”).


Achim in Esslingen
About your question:
The 1st person only means that a storm might come; he thinks that a storm springs up.
The 2nd person doesn’t convince.
This is completely correct, because the 1st person speaks in subjunctive, the 2nd person in present.


Mr Wehmann in Hildesheim
About grammar: both sentences "es kommt ein Sturm" and "ein Sturm kommt", both can be used, where in the second the stress is more on storm, while the first more describes a general statement. The pronoun "es" in German is often used with the so-called impersonal verbs like es regnet, es schneit. I think, the pronoun "es" cannot be put in Nominativ, since it is not a noun.


Hmm, unfortunately the question is not answered, which one is the subject: es or ein Sturm. Sabine’s answer makes confused. If I don’t misunderstand her, then the subject would be “es”, but why ein Sturm remains unchanged, actually it should be “einen Sturm”? Unfortunately Sabine forgot also, that the pronoun “es” special for weather all is in Nominativ, like I mentioned above: es schneit, es regnet, es ist kalt, es ist bewölkt, es ist sonnig, es ist heiss, es ist windig.

Achims term “subjunctive” is not fully correct. According to the conjugation “kommt” is not subjunctive, but Indikativ. The conjugation of subjunctive ( II) is “kömme”.

The last sentence of Mr Wehmann also makes confused. It is clear, that “es” isn’t a noun. “Es” is a pronoun. But the pronoun for the third person singular is really “es”, in Nominativ and also in Akkusativ. :-(


You have read text 43.
Please read text 44: Has Hitler Been to Karimunjawa Island in Indonesia?

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